[Community] Can we chat a bit about Wayne Wilson's very good question (asked twice in 2006!)

Fri Apr 25 17:19:05 PDT 2008

Hello all,

I am still on this list and though I have not made it to the meetings am
interested in receiving news from the meetings;  as well as getting other
community news.   It is nice to see it more active these days.
Thank you for addressing my question.

Wayne A. Wilson

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:59 PM, David Oaks <oaks at mindfreedom.org> wrote:

> Hi CAN community e-mail list,
>
> Sorry this is a little long... but I need your help to figure out how
> to take care of something that should be easy... but that probably
> needs a volunteer to say "I'll do it."
>
> And I'm swamped, and don't want to promise! So you get a long e-mail
> instead!
>
>    BACKGROUND:
>
> I was inspired by the other day's CAN meeting which had so much great
> info. Wow, I kind of new a huge park was developing just "south" of
> us, but this really opened up my eyes to the scope. And it was also
> great hearing about the traffic efforts on Bailey Hill Road.
>
> This meet was also really well moderated with crisp intro's, basic
> organized info about what was going on, etc. (way to go Alan!).
>
> Combined with the newly elected board, the history of the last few
> years... go CAN!!
>
> I guess it inspired me.... plus I'm helping to hold a forum at NEXT
> month's CAN meeting, and since CAN is out of newsletter funds until
> the July issue, I'm wondering how to especially ADVERTISE our next
> meeting!!
>
> So.....
>
> I was wondering why this "community e-mail list for CAN" was under-
> used, so I looked through past discussion messages.
>
> I think I can see one problem -- and a little topic we could chat
> briefly about and perhaps SOLVE once and for all, with your help.
>
> I know I've seen this challenge for about two years actually!!!
>
>    THE CHALLENGE FOR US ALL:
>
> Neighbor Wayne Wilson asked one of the few questions on this
> discussion list, a copy of which is copied at BOTTOM.
>
> He asked his question twice on this list -- in 2006, which last count
> is 2 years ago (well, one and a half, still a long time).
>
> And you know what, unless I missed something, I don't think Wayne
> ever got an answer to what I think is still a good question!!!!!
>
> Wayne wondered:
>
>     Can notice can be e-mailed out for CAN meetings well in advance,
> like a week?
>
> Sounds reasonable.
>
> But since the e-mail announcement for this week's meeting went out,
> well, the same day, then whether or not Wayne was answered by e-mail,
> his concern was not really addressed in action.
>
> One answer back then was that that NEWS list is where one ought to
> get alerts.
>
> To refresh people's memories, we have both a discussion (community
> list, this one) and news list -- for people who don't want to be
> bothered with long e-mails!
>
> But I checked back through the NEWS archives... And since Wayne asked
> in Fall of 2006, almost all of the e-mail announcements about the CAN
> meeting have been the same day, or at most (2) days before, with
> occasional exception of 3 day and one 4 day.
>
> But Wayne is asking for, say, 7 day or 10 day notice. Twice.
>
> Since he asked: No meeting was advertised by e-mail as he requested.
>
>    WHAT TO DO?
>
> As a board member of CAN my personal apologies!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to
> copy this to the CAN board.
>
> First of all, if folks ask questions on this list, twice, and no real
> answer is posted... that could be one among many factors why they
> stop using the list!
>
> Second, it's a reasonable suggestion!
>
> And there haven't been many requests on this list! I mean, we get one
> pretty easy one? And nothing?
>
> I think part of the problem is that in grassroots work, given the low
> resources, there's a tendency to say, "If so-and-so will take it on,
> then let's forget all about it, let them shoulder the burden, bye bye."
>
> In this case I think the burden was indeed put on one of our computer-
> knowledgeable folks like Craig and Alan, to just say "X knows
> something about automatic e-mail alerts, let Alan do it, maybe he had
> technical problems, he'll figure it out, whatever."
>
> Hey, that's unfair to them!
>
> Really, it's the duty of the whole community, especially the whole
> board, to figure out how to communicate with one another, especially
> when there's a problem that lasts a year or so.
>
> So good question:
>
> Anyone have an answer?
>
> How can we get out advance notice by e-mail about our
> meetings??????????????????????
>
> Is there a way to automate this so we can get out news announcements
> via e-mail well ahead of each meeting?
>
> Or can one or two individuals who are not over-burdened take this on
> as a volunteer task, and set their computer alarm to get out the
> message personally?
>
> This is a fairly small one folks, let's take this on and figure it
> out once and for all!!!!!
>
> Maybe we all need some info first....
>
> One challenge may be MECHANICAL. E-mail lists lend themselves to one
> or two gatekeepers, and that's it. If the gatekeeper doesn't swing
> the gate, the gate doesn't get swung.
>
> A news list has to be MODERATED. So that means one or two people with
> the password to approve messages can only get it out.
>
> I know one group that gets around that by letting ANY board member
> post to the NEWS list. Until and unless that's abused, it would seem
> to be a step in the right direction of using principles like
> 'networked communication,' synergy, empowerment, shared
> information... in other words common sense.
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> David
>
> P.S. Below are Wayne's good questions from 2006....
>
> On Sep 27, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Wayne Wilson wrote:
> > Is there any way to send out an automatic reminder for this a week
> > before
> > hand?
> >
> > Wayne Wilson
>
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Wayne Wilson wrote:
> >
> > I was not able to find the date of the past meeting; could an
> > automatic
> > reminder for the general meeting be sent out by email a couple of days
> > before?
> > Thank you
> >
> > Wayne Wilson
> > 1595 Buck st.
>
>
> >
> > On 9/27/06, willtop31 at epsfh.com <willtop31 at epsfh.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Churchill Area Neighbors will be having their Executive board
> >> meeting tonight at the Churchill Estates located at 1919 Bailey
> >> Hill Rd.
> >>
> >> The meeting time begins at 7:00 pm and will run to approximately
> >> 8:40 pm.
> >>
> >> The general public is welcome to attend.
> >>
> >> If you have any questions, feel free to call.
> >>
> >> See you there,
> >>
> >> Craig Topham
> >> Vice-chair, Churchill Area Neighbors
> >> 541-514-0321
> >>
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